1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,300 RSAnimate 2 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:09,476 www.theRSA.org 3 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:12,800 The Crises of Capitalism, 26 April 2010 4 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:15,960 Is it time to look beyond Capitalism towards a new social order 5 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:18,000 that would allow us to live within a system 6 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:20,046 that could be responsible, just and humane? 7 00:00:20,047 --> 00:00:20,049 . 8 00:00:20,187 --> 00:00:23,550 Ok, so we've been through this crisis 9 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:27,678 and there are all sorts of explanatory formats out there. 10 00:00:27,678 --> 00:00:30,190 And it's interesting to look at the different genres. 11 00:00:30,330 --> 00:00:32,895 One genre is that, it's all about human frailty. 12 00:00:33,135 --> 00:00:36,663 I mean, Alan Greenspan took refuge in the fact "it's human nature", 13 00:00:36,803 --> 00:00:39,033 he said, "you can't do anything about that." 14 00:00:39,173 --> 00:00:41,889 But there's a whole world of explanations 15 00:00:41,889 --> 00:00:44,722 that kinda say it's the predatory instincts 16 00:00:44,722 --> 00:00:47,608 It's the instinct for mastery. 17 00:00:47,748 --> 00:00:49,376 The delusions of investors. 18 00:00:49,516 --> 00:00:51,745 And the greed and all the rest of it. 19 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:54,000 So, there's a whole range of discussion of that. 20 00:00:54,126 --> 00:00:57,651 And of course, the more we learn about the daily practices on Wall Street 21 00:00:57,791 --> 00:01:01,288 we kind of figure there's a great deal of truth in all of that. 22 00:01:01,428 --> 00:01:05,573 The second genre is that there's institutional failures. 23 00:01:05,573 --> 00:01:08,192 That, you know, regulators were asleep at the switch. 24 00:01:08,332 --> 00:01:11,765 The shadow banking system innovated outside of their purview. 25 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:13,235 Etc etc etc. 26 00:01:13,375 --> 00:01:16,804 And, therefore, institutions have to be reconfigured. 27 00:01:16,944 --> 00:01:20,808 And it has to be a global effort, by the G-20, something of that kind. 28 00:01:20,948 --> 00:01:22,710 So, we look at the institutional level and say 29 00:01:22,850 --> 00:01:25,512 that has failed and that has to be reconfigured. 30 00:01:25,652 --> 00:01:29,400 The third genre is to say, everybody was obsessed with a false theory. 31 00:01:29,540 --> 00:01:30,751 They read too much Hayek 32 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:33,587 and believed in the efficiency of markets. 33 00:01:33,727 --> 00:01:37,848 And it's time we actually got back to something like Keynes. 34 00:01:37,988 --> 00:01:42,029 Or we took seriously Hyman Minski's 35 00:01:42,169 --> 00:01:46,360 theory about the inherent instability of financial activities. 36 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:50,871 The next genre is that it has cultural origins. 37 00:01:51,011 --> 00:01:52,830 Now we don't hear that much in the United States 38 00:01:52,970 --> 00:01:54,508 but if you were in Germany and France 39 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:58,612 there are many people there who would kind of say it's an Anglo-Saxon disease. 40 00:01:58,752 --> 00:02:02,082 And, and it has nothing to do with us. 41 00:02:02,222 --> 00:02:05,219 And I happened to be in Brazil when it was going on, and 42 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:08,220 Lula was kind of saying, well, first off he was saying 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,693 "Oh, thank God the United States is being disciplined by the equivalent of the IMF 44 00:02:12,833 --> 00:02:15,562 We've been through it 8 times in the last 25 years 45 00:02:15,702 --> 00:02:18,699 and now it's their turn. Fantastic!", said Lula, 46 00:02:18,839 --> 00:02:22,600 and all the other Latin Americans I knew, until it hit them, which it does. 47 00:02:22,740 --> 00:02:24,760 And then they kind of changed their tune a little bit. 48 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:27,708 So, there's a way of which it became cultural. 49 00:02:27,848 --> 00:02:31,211 And, you can see that by the way in which this whole Greek thing is being handled. 50 00:02:31,351 --> 00:02:34,648 The way the German press is saying, "Well, it's the Greek character 51 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:36,383 It's defects in the Greek character". 52 00:02:36,523 --> 00:02:39,750 And there's a whole lot of rather nasty stuff going on around that. 53 00:02:39,890 --> 00:02:43,023 But actually, there are some cultural features which have led into it. 54 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,292 For instance, the US fascination with 55 00:02:45,432 --> 00:02:46,894 home ownership, 56 00:02:47,034 --> 00:02:49,029 which is supposedly a deep cultural value. 57 00:02:49,169 --> 00:02:53,534 So 67, 68% of US households are home owners. 58 00:02:53,674 --> 00:02:55,602 It's only 22% in Switzerland. 59 00:02:55,742 --> 00:02:57,671 Of course its a cultural value in the United States 60 00:02:57,811 --> 00:03:00,507 that's being supported by the mortgage interest tax deduction, 61 00:03:00,647 --> 00:03:02,643 which is a huge subsidy. 62 00:03:02,783 --> 00:03:06,479 It's being promoted since the 1930s, very explicitly in the 1930s. 63 00:03:06,619 --> 00:03:08,215 It was built up because the theory was 64 00:03:08,355 --> 00:03:11,618 that debt incumbent home owners don't go on strike. 65 00:03:11,758 --> 00:03:14,221 And then there's a kind of notion that it's a failure of policy 66 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:16,254 in that policy has actually intervened. 67 00:03:16,394 --> 00:03:20,060 And there's a funny kind of alliance emerging between the Glenn Beck wing 68 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,296 for Fox News and the World Bank, 69 00:03:22,436 --> 00:03:24,965 both of whom says the problem is too much regulation 70 00:03:25,105 --> 00:03:26,300 of the wrong sort. 71 00:03:28,422 --> 00:03:31,705 So there are all these ways, and all of them have a certain truth. 72 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:35,250 And skilled writers will take one or other of those perspectives and 73 00:03:35,250 --> 00:03:39,060 build a story and actually write a very plausible kind of story about this. 74 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:39,880 And I thought to myself, 75 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:44,618 "Well, what kind of plausible story can I write, which is none of the above?" 76 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:47,300 Which is one of the things I always think to myself, and it's not hard to do 77 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:50,924 particularly when you're coming from a Marxist perspective because, you know 78 00:03:51,064 --> 00:03:54,962 there aren't many people who try to do this analysis from a Marxist perspective. 79 00:03:55,102 --> 00:03:59,133 And I was really clued into this by this thing that happened 80 00:03:59,273 --> 00:04:02,347 at the London School of Economics about a year and a half ago when 81 00:04:02,347 --> 00:04:04,110 Her Majesty, the Queen, asked the economists 82 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:06,540 "How come you guys didn't see this thing coming?" 83 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,943 She didn't say it exactly that way, but you know, it's the sentiment. 84 00:04:10,083 --> 00:04:13,710 And, they got very upset. And she actually called the Governor of the Bank of England. 85 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:15,400 And said, "How come you didn't see it coming?" 86 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,151 And then the British Academy put forward this 87 00:04:18,291 --> 00:04:21,000 got together all these economists and they came up with this fabulous letter 88 00:04:21,016 --> 00:04:22,465 to Her Majesty. 89 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:26,083 And, it was actually astonishing. It said 90 00:04:26,223 --> 00:04:31,600 "Well, you know, many dedicated people, intelligent, smart, spent their lives 91 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:34,460 working on aspects of this thing, very, very seriously 92 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,870 But the one thing we missed was systemic risk." 93 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:38,500 And you say, "What?!" 94 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,810 [Laughter] 95 00:04:39,950 --> 00:04:42,743 And they went on to talk about the politics of denial and all the rest of it. 96 00:04:42,883 --> 00:04:46,013 So I thought, well you know, systemic risk, you know 97 00:04:46,153 --> 00:04:47,648 I can translate it into the Marxian thing. 98 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:51,732 You're talking about the internal contradictions of capital accumulation. 99 00:04:51,872 --> 00:04:53,110 And maybe I should write a thing about the 100 00:04:53,250 --> 00:04:55,989 internal contradictions of capital accumulation and 101 00:04:56,129 --> 00:05:00,728 try to figure out the role of crisis in the whole history of Capitalism. 102 00:05:00,868 --> 00:05:04,400 And what's specific and special about the crisis, this time around. 103 00:05:04,805 --> 00:05:06,460 And there are two ways which I thought I would do that, 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,739 One was to look at what's happened since the 1970s to now. 105 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:14,575 And, the thesis there is that in many ways 106 00:05:14,715 --> 00:05:17,110 the form of this current crisis is dictated very much 107 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:19,400 by the way we came out of the last one. 108 00:05:21,154 --> 00:05:22,980 That the problem back in the 1970s was 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,019 excessive power of labour in relationship to capital. 110 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:28,389 That, therefore, the way out of the crisis last time 111 00:05:28,529 --> 00:05:30,190 was to discipline labour. 112 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:31,525 And we know how that was done. 113 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:32,900 It was done by off-shoring. 114 00:05:33,033 --> 00:05:35,129 It was done by, you know, Thatcher and Reagan. 115 00:05:35,269 --> 00:05:36,964 And it was done by neo-liberal doctrine; 116 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:39,400 it was done in all kinds of different ways. 117 00:05:41,942 --> 00:05:45,410 But by 1985 or 86, the labour question had essentially 118 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:49,210 been solved for capital. It had access to all the world's labour supplies. 119 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,900 Nobody in this particular instance, has cited 120 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,290 greedy unions as the root of the crisis. 121 00:05:54,430 --> 00:05:56,216 Nobody, in this instance, is saying, 122 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:58,550 "It has something to do with the excessive power of labour." 123 00:05:58,790 --> 00:06:01,488 If anything, it's the excessive power of capital. 124 00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:04,900 And in particular, the excessive power of finance capital 125 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,200 which is the root of the problem. 126 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,060 Now, how did that happen? 127 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:14,460 Well, we've been, since the 1970s, in a phase, of what we call "wage repression". 128 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,210 That wages have remained stagnant 129 00:06:16,350 --> 00:06:18,000 The share of wages in national income 130 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,108 right throughout the OECD countries has steadily fallen. 131 00:06:21,248 --> 00:06:24,580 It's even steadily fallen in China, of all places. 132 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,648 So that, there's less and less being paid out in wages. 133 00:06:27,788 --> 00:06:31,000 Well, wages turn out to be also the money 134 00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:32,152 which buys goods. 135 00:06:32,292 --> 00:06:34,288 So if you diminish wages, then 136 00:06:34,428 --> 00:06:36,724 you got a problem with where's your demand going to come from. 137 00:06:36,864 --> 00:06:38,990 And the answer was, "Well, get out your credit cards. 138 00:06:39,130 --> 00:06:40,846 We'll give everybody credit cards." 139 00:06:41,250 --> 00:06:44,260 So we'll overcome, if you like, the problem of effective demand 140 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,934 by actually pumping up the credit economy. 141 00:06:47,074 --> 00:06:49,470 And American households and British households 142 00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:53,160 all roughly tripled their debt over the last 20, 30 years. 143 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:58,445 And a vast amount of that debt, of course, has been within the housing market. 144 00:06:58,685 --> 00:07:01,310 And out of this comes a theory which is very, very important 145 00:07:01,450 --> 00:07:05,000 that Capitalism never solves its crisis problems. 146 00:07:05,192 --> 00:07:07,290 It moves them around geographically. 147 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:10,000 And what we're seeing right now is a geographical movement of that. 148 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Everybody says, "Well, okay, everything is 149 00:07:12,065 --> 00:07:13,660 beginning to recover in the United States" 150 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:15,462 And then Greece goes bang, and everybody goes, 151 00:07:15,602 --> 00:07:17,100 "What about the PIIGS?", you know. 152 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,860 And it's interesting, you had a finance crisis 153 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,910 in the financial system. 154 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:24,410 You sort of half-solve that 155 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:27,921 but at the expense of a sovereign debt crisis. 156 00:07:28,061 --> 00:07:30,360 Actually, if you look at the accumulation process of capital 157 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:32,310 you see a number of limits and a number of barriers 158 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:35,549 and there's a wonderful language that Marx uses in the "Grundrisse". 159 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:38,410 where he talks about the way in which Capital cannot abide 160 00:07:38,550 --> 00:07:39,420 a limit. 161 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,190 It has to turn it into a barrier 162 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:44,024 which it then circumvents or transcends. 163 00:07:44,164 --> 00:07:46,126 And then when you look at the accumulation process 164 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:49,560 you look at where the barriers and limits might lie. 165 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:51,540 And the simple way to look at it is 166 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,010 to say, "Look, the typical circulation process 167 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:57,217 of accumulation goes like this. 168 00:07:57,217 --> 00:07:59,000 You start with some money. 169 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,000 You go into the market and buy labour, power 170 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,960 and means of production. 171 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:06,050 Then you put them to work 172 00:08:06,190 --> 00:08:09,000 with a given technology and organisational form 173 00:08:09,850 --> 00:08:12,000 and you create a commodity. 174 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:15,700 Which you then sell for the original money plus a profit. 175 00:08:17,931 --> 00:08:20,010 Now, you then take part of the profit 176 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:22,560 and you re-capitalise it into an expansion 177 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:24,640 for very interesting reasons. 178 00:08:24,780 --> 00:08:26,032 Now, there are two things about this 179 00:08:26,032 --> 00:08:27,760 One is that there're a number of barrier points in here. 180 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:29,440 How is the money got together 181 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:30,100 in the right place 182 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,000 at the right time 183 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,106 in the right volume? 184 00:08:33,246 --> 00:08:35,590 And that takes financial ingenuity. 185 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:39,813 So the whole history of capitalism has been about financial innovation. 186 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:41,560 And financial innovation 187 00:08:41,700 --> 00:08:44,750 has the effect of, also, empowering the financiers. 188 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,521 And the excessive power of the financiers, can sometimes... 189 00:08:47,661 --> 00:08:50,060 They do get greedy, no question about it. 190 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,710 And if you look at financial profits in the United States 191 00:08:52,850 --> 00:08:55,740 They were soaring after 1990; they were going up like this. 192 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Profits in manufacturing were coming down like this. 193 00:08:58,900 --> 00:09:01,368 And you can see the imbalance in this country 194 00:09:01,508 --> 00:09:04,520 I think the way in which this country has sided with The City of London 195 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:07,710 against British manufacturing since the 1950s onwards 196 00:09:07,850 --> 00:09:11,245 has had very serious implications for the economy of this country. 197 00:09:11,385 --> 00:09:15,950 You've actually screwed Industry in order to keep, you know, financiers happy. 198 00:09:16,090 --> 00:09:20,520 Any sensible person right now would join an anti-capitalist organisation. 199 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:22,510 And, you have to. 200 00:09:22,650 --> 00:09:25,826 Because otherwise, we're going to have this continuation. 201 00:09:25,966 --> 00:09:29,610 And notice it's a continuation of all sorts of negative aspects. 202 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:31,732 For instance, the racking up of wealth. 203 00:09:31,872 --> 00:09:33,660 You would have thought the crisis would have stopped that. 204 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,110 Actually more billionaires emerged in India last year than ever. 205 00:09:38,250 --> 00:09:39,730 They doubled last year. 206 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:46,950 The wealth of the rich in this country has accelerated. 207 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:52,786 Just last year, what happened was that leading hedge fund owners 208 00:09:52,926 --> 00:09:56,410 got personal remunerations of $3 billion each, 209 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:57,990 in one year. 210 00:09:58,130 --> 00:10:00,860 Now, I thought it was obscene and insane 211 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,660 a few years ago, when they got $250 million. 212 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:05,810 But they're now hauling in $3 billion. 213 00:10:05,950 --> 00:10:07,800 Now that's not the world I want to live in, 214 00:10:07,852 --> 00:10:09,903 and if you want to live in it, be my guest. 215 00:10:10,043 --> 00:10:12,540 I don't see us debating and discussing this. 216 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:16,210 I don't have the solutions; I think I know what the nature of the problem is. 217 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:19,160 And unless we're prepared to have a very broad based discussion 218 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:20,681 that gets away from, you know, 219 00:10:20,821 --> 00:10:23,650 the normal kind of pablum you get in a political campaign. 220 00:10:23,890 --> 00:10:27,020 And you know, "Everything's going to be okay here next year if you vote for me". 221 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,490 Well, it's crap! 222 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:31,327 You should know it's crap. 223 00:10:31,327 --> 00:10:33,790 And, say it is. 224 00:10:33,930 --> 00:10:36,160 And we have a duty, it seems to me 225 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,532 those of us who are academics and seriously involved in the world 226 00:10:38,672 --> 00:10:41,600 to actually change our mode of thinking. 227 00:11:04,462 --> 00:11:06,065 Cognitive media 228 00:11:06,205 --> 00:11:10,000 www.cognitivemedia.co.uk